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Individual symbols Idaho 4
list is comparing Idaho Script with Indus Script and some of them are
much alike. That together with the number of symbols seems to be clear
evidence that seafarers from Indus culture visited Idaho. Maybe they
were searching for metal and precious stones
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algebraic meaning, Indus symbolism, moon cycle, urn-symbol, offer
cauldron, bear paw, Boöetes, Bearwatcher, snake, dragon, Serpent Mound,
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On this Thunderbird Rock we find the clearest symbols of Indus script
figure in centre seems to be of the same kind as the Indus Script
symbol. Generally in North American symbolism they used the symbol
Thunderbird. We can call the deep clear Indus symbols on this rock First
Generation Idaho Script. Most of the "standardised" glyphs we find on
this rock among the pictures I have from Snake River.
These are easy to see and copy. But most
of the lava boulders have script that must be rubbed into film or
pictured in night-light if we want an exact documentation. But for my
preliminary interpreting the pictures are enough. I cannot travel around
and must use photos as the best documentation.
I name the freer copied Indus symbols on
the boulders Second Generation Idaho and Third Generation Idaho is of
course the local inventions if we want to make categories. But before we
start we must state that there are no readable texts, however
explaining the glyphs and ideograms one by one give a feeling what it
was all about. Secondly let us start with some essentials about ancient
scripts and rock carvings
Normally I use glyph = defined script
symbol … ideogram = pictorial idea /concept … symbol = undefined small
sign. In the early ancient symbol script and syllable languages
are some rules that we should now when we look at unknown texts.
Figures that are filled or negative are on "the other side" and
generally below ground or invisible. Metal they mark with dashed lines.
Dashing or painting figures make them different from the normal
reference: Sometimes they use in fact "…" too more than 6000 years ago.
In Scandinavia they mark "the other side
or time" wit double lines as for instance winter half year. They mark
the beginning of winter season with two big dots … and the beginning of
summer season with one smaller dot of course alternatively an empty
little boat like in Egypt.
In Scandinavia the old integers build on
1 to 6 times 2 alternatively 1 to 12. They counted integers and
fractions in geometric series like 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 or 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16
alternatively series 1, 3, 6, 9,12. Observe that in the world there
were several systems so we have to know the local culture behind.
Initially were the series in language
"one, two, many/ several" and in grammar singular, dualis and plural.
That means one symbol is the infinitive, two symbols is the ongoing action and three symbols is the idea / concept.
For instance is single wave line = flow … double line is river … and
three lines are water, ocean or water-god. In the beginning there were
no grammar with tenses so the action was pictures with doubled symbols.
I find it natural to assume that the
great cultures Sumer, Indus and Egypt followed the same pattern in
creating the syllable language in 4th millennium. That means the symbols are generally a syllable consonant -- vowel or vowel -- consonant with some exceptions and even consonant - vowel - consonant. Some of the symbols could be used as ideograms since they were extracted from some known feature.
We see much of that in Sumerian, i.e.
before 2000 BC while the Egyptian syllable language is covered by later
inventions and the Indus script we do not know much about. The phonetic
system covered it all in late Bronze Age and we can not use rules from
that on the syllable languages so working with them is much of
The same rock from another direction with the umu-ti-symbol
this rock are many standardised glyphs we for sure can se are from the
Indus Script. Some well-educated person must have visited the place and
wrote down this message. It must have been a novelty even for the writer
since the only samples we have are made on clay tablets and tokens in a
standardised size. Here they are "king size" and without the order of a
Normally we think those bigger culture
influences smaller and the rural side of the world. Small influence in
the other direction is harder to put a label on. Still for instance in
for instance in Egyptian noble tombs we find items that can be traced to
small cultures far away.
Symbols like the following row indicates
abstract thinking and organisation we normally meet in city cultures:
Exception is my province with organised writing even in a rural society.
We have to remember that all people were furnished with the same
capacity of thinking. But mankind is lazy and uses that capacity only on
demand when necessity forces to develop things. It is always easier to
borrow from other cultures and adapt it to the local cultural
In the following I describe mixed the
different generations of symbols in Idaho. There is no point in dividing
into categories from the material I have and the time span is fairly
The cupmark or little handmade
hole defined by the diameter is the most numerous rock carvings in the
world. In logic of geometry it is a point and in words "there is". It
could be used for units as well as for drawing figures that are airy or
A line is many points in a row. If they
are separate in a line they are identical individual points in a row and
the length could be counted in points and represent time. We can give
the points an understood algebraic meaning and give shape to the
line and add more meaning. It is the same method as in mathematics when
we use letters to represent or be icons for hidden values.
The encircled point could be whatever we
will associate to it as for instance "an eye", the sun and whatsoever.
The bigger cupmark means that it is an opening to underground or under
In Snake River Valley SRV the strokes
are made equal long and we see some system behind it that is like what
we know from the Indus = black and whit figures borrowed from Asko
Parpola. There are finds of around 450 symbols in Indus, but not so many
different symbols since there are several variations of symbols.
Then we have to think of their numbers
that could be the long stroke is 1 and the others maybe 1/2, 1/4, 1/8
and 1/16. A line in slight angle means "beginning to" and in Scandinavia
it is derived from the division of the circle in 16 parts. The line in
angle means "turning point" and it is understood that we follow the
…If there is a carrier line the strokes are enclosed to a category. If
the strokes are units the line could be the carrier. The symbol is also
used for an ear of seed. Some goods were surely put on a string in a
standardised way we know that from old systems of measurement. In an
economy of bartering they needed some standards of course.
… in Scandinavia this symbol used to mark likeness or conjunction, i.e. equal with
the glyph is derived from compasses that surely was needed for making
the perfect circle. We know similar symbols in Minoan and Middle East
cultures. The three stokes in the circle could mean "mountain" and also
three stones of the fire place. The mountain was time mark and so the
fire-ritual and the symbol below is "fire-place".
maybe this shape marks a year and the little tongue marks the
beginning. In the Indus year every season began with fire ritual
according to Rigveda. In Scandinavian rock carvings they mark the
beginning of season with a cupmark alternatively a little empty boat.
Maybe the circle / oval with strokes means the first month in season and
then especially the growing season
The circle enclosed one unit and we can
make it a standard or something else by giving it some algebraic value.
Usually people connect ancient circles to the sun and sun-cult without
any proof. The sun as such have no value and mankind has been interested
only in the life giving "beams". Today we call it photon flow but
already in the Egyptian symbolism we see the beams as flow of units. We
see beams around also on some circles and then they surely meant the
sun. But for everyday life the moon and its cycle was the pace giver of
People were interested in the sun as
counter of days or nights. It is like the big hand on the clock while
the moon is the short. In Scandinavia the plain circle was used to
picture quarter of a year in some places. But the main symbolism is the
crossed circle that is used for a year, half a year, a quarter of a
year. So they were symbolising Time and not the sun as such. We can also
say that Time was their god, as it is still today in our world.
… … These symbols means then "pair of moons" and in the right case divided in fortnights.
Furthermore they divided in 3 seasons in the monsoon environment. In
Indus symbolism number 3 and 6 are frequent in ritual astronomy in which
the zodiac /animal round was divided in 6 and the moons were seen as
pairs. There are signs of the same in early Egyptian and Sumerian
we only concentrate on the outline we get an orbit or uniform motion
and the length and duration has to be understood. A circle with a dot
gives the concept a reference point. In some cases they add a point or
something on, inside or outside the circle. That is the starting point
of the understood circulation. We can also see it in the poetic way as
an eye and even as the sun. Then we have to understand everything behind
The use of the circle for a quarter or
as orbit in circular motion implies that we / they knew that the sun /
or earth make circular motion depending on our observation point.
Otherwise it would be pure abstract logic. But when we picture the year
as a motion coming back to one point the shape of a circle would be
natural. Only in few cases we see a spiral that pictures the real motion
of earth in Time that never reach the same point again. But they used
also the square as model in places where it was natural to divide in
four seasons as for instance in Scandinavia.
In India the square occurs too. We can not know how they taught. But in Indus symbolism
we see in some seal the god / idol and above the head is a wheel with
six spokes. That surely pictures the Indus Time Wheel…. See The Naked Gangaur
9000 year old painting of the moon's cycle from Canchal Mahoma Spain
1 and 3 are the less visible nights before and after wane. Fig. 2 is
full moon and maybe Fig. 4 should read "moon", i.e. 29,5 days as the moon cycle. We meet the same symbol in the Egyptian calendars where it in some cases also could be the Saros Cycle of 18,61 years.
From this example we see the natural
symbolism in Fig 1 and 3. We can note some kind of standard and
conventions about practical astronomy in occasional European artefacts
from the 10000 -- 30000 years before present time. Many symbols surely
"wandered around the world" with travelling people discussing astronomy.
At least for sailors and navigators the stars were essential. They had
to know how the starry sky appeared wherever they travelled.
Surely it was convenient to draw the
oblong figure instead of the circle. Then it also gave the special
meaning to the symbol. As mentioned in pre-Vedic time, i.e. before 2000
BC they counted the moons in pair. They surely even divided the time in
two natural fortnights.
New Moon was the most frequent turning point of a moon period and the
Sumerian Inanna was the model for many moon goddesses. The symbol for
wane and new are international and used often in the subtropics besides
the horizontal bow symbols
For the circle with dots see "umu ti" in Idaho 2
Knowing about time or we should write
"space-time" has always been essential for mankind. Knowledge helped
them foresee what should and would happen in time and space. Maybe we
sometimes can see that their leaders used knowledge for their own gain.
That would only be humanlike and up top the individual mind. But I
suppose that the mind of many would outnumber the dictator in time.
The horseshoe shape we see on many
stones for instance in the passage grave in Gavrinic, Carnac Bretagne
but also in other places. On some stone we see many bows over a pillar. I
suppose that it pictures the "moon turn" in which some days are open
since the moon is invisible. They simply counted turns to get the values
for the moon cycle and fortnight.
We know for sure that they knew about
the 18,61 years Saros Cycle before ca 3100 BC. From that follows that
they also knew about eclipses of the moon. They could predetermine them
at least in places where local astronomers followed the knowledge and
made continuous observations of their own. Knowledge frees from fear in
most cases and humankind has observed the sky since thinking began. Moon
cycle and comets would not shake many trousers I presume.
It is far to early for me to conclude
the kind of local astronomy. But the pictures I have do not show
advanced local astronomy so far. However the occurrence of some ritual
rocks and the symbolism tell us that they planned their year influenced
by the Indus Culture. That means the moon and at least some leading
asterism became the lead of the year.
That kind of guiding star needs only a
simple observation place and knowledge of how to follow one star in the
night sky. It will pass different points during the year depending on
the latitude. That has to be decided locally. But one observation would
be enough as model for future.
Most important is that the up and down
shaped U was used as number unit in Egyptian, Sumerian, Greek and maybe
other cultures. The short stroke read "i" or "one"
One swallow does not make a summer …however often we find only one
sample of an special image in a place … but sure the motif with the
"boiler" feed curiosity. We know very little about Chinese high sea
ships during Bronze Age. They think they were of the same type as the
riverboats with broad cut off stern and stem but higher than at the
riverboat. … see more on ritual carvings
We do not know anything
about a "dragon" in stem. They have found rock carvings on Hawaii
showing high stem and possibly a dragon. Still we do not know much about
the boat in entire Asia. We see much Egyptian influence in Indian and
Polynesian boats of today.
the "roof" symbolises heaven or maybe the circumpolar stars that was
the upper sphere of the gods … and it is maybe still. In the glyph below
with the trisection we see it look much like the Egyptian symbol for
heaven. The "Urn" they name Coma Berinece nowadays but it looks much
like some round vessel on my star map. It was suitable as opposite
fix-stars around 2000 BC after Head of Serpent and before Bearwatcher.
…if we firstly see this as a pot it could be asterism urn, but more
often just some vessel. The big amphora and other storing containers
were necessary during the seasons and naturally also when transporting
goods. In Sumerian and Indus symbolism we see many water carriers and it
was naturally an important invention in everyday life. The "Urn" was in
fact the major mean for creating cities that could store food for later
We have also to be open for the function as pot and boiler and with
all synonyms we can think of. The glyphs are often furnished with wings
and Randall suggests that it mean size of vessel. It could also be that
they under a period named season as an Urn and then marked the three
We can also see it as an outline and then it is a connection between opposite points / stars.
Second Generation light rock carvings
"As far as three seasons, one would not see a fall inIn
such canyon country. Sage is the most prevalent brush in this country
and second being juniper. These vary little in foliage in the seasons.
Grass is green and seed barring plants very little through the year in
this temperate country".
Ritual Age solstice and equinoxes were important turning points in the
year. In Europe the Celts found that the dates half-way between were
better division. In last millennium we got the trisection in three
terminuses from Candlemas or winter thing, summer thing and law thing in
October that lasted to our time.
In Ritual Age they maybe followed the
stars and time more rigidly than in later times when they had to follow
the weather. The Indian climate, subtropics and monsoon climate have
sharper turn points and trisection was the natural order.
In several rock carvings we see three
symbols with different shape. Maybe they wanted to point out three
different entities or seasons.
…The rock with the three "bear-paws" shows clear trisection.and the cross strokes tell us that they are virtual reality. Then we can suggest that they symbolise Boötes / Bearwatcher
that was current after 1700 BC. We know from Scandinavia that they used
the opposite asterism to asterism of spring equinox for determining
beginning of the season … Still today Church determines the beginning of
ritual year as first moon after spring equinox. Most of the world use
the traditional calendar they developed after 4000 BC.
The conclusion is then that they used
the bright star Arcturus as fix star and followed that the entire year.
Since we see the Indus influence and three of them we can assume that
they celebrated three seasons and knew where the star was at that time.
By now I have note half a dozen rock carvings showing the 3-symbolism at
Snake River Valley. One example is the three entities symbolised with
different connected symbols … se also Bear Dance
Local symbolism but we see little of the original Indus ideas here
maybe we should read the first Idaho figure from right with the empty
bowl, next season the bowl with growth and the last the winter store.
The Indus trisected symbol is under the heaven meaning the divided
Animal Round. Next symbol maybe is "a round that continues after the New
In the collection of pictures there are
only a few sun-symbols with beams. The one with a point in centre is
maybe more poetic showing the "heavens eye" = the sun. But the three
circles with beams maybe mean moons.
One wave-line shows infinite movement in
time and as verb it is the infinitive. The symbol is on the same rule
as mentioned in the beginning. In Scandinavian ancient language I set
the wave LA--LA-LA while the saw-tooth is IA-IA-IA and the short string
fits in places with seemingly written lines.
As verb two parallel wave-lines is
"running water" and as noun a river. Three parallel lines are the water
as noun such as seas and even the water god. In Sumerian symbolism we
see Enki/ Ea steps up on the original hill. Above him flows the heavenly
river Watergate drawn with two lines and we see fish jumping.
In Egyptian symbolism they usually use
the saw-tooth line that perhaps was easier to draw. But in Scandinavian
symbolism it seems that they use that for time. The logic shows it with
two turning points and we can count the flow in units. We can also
assume the difference between material and abstract flow.
The longer wave-line is for sure sometimes meant as a snake.
But often it is marked with a head and sometimes also a tail. Special
feature in American snake drawing is that we see a parrot at the mouth.
That connects it to the Old World with a bird on a pole in front of
Water-snake. These are among the symbols that show ritual influence from
the Old World.
There are several snakes including
Dragon on the night sky and naturally it could mean something else such
as a real snake. The snake expresses definite flow since it has length,
beginning and end. It is like the Scandinavian ritual ships that are
furnished with symbols "from -- to" in stem and stern.
In the animal round the Watersnake /
Hydra symbolises the womb of the earth and it begins at the sowing point
Cancer and ends at the harvest symbol Scorpio. Along the Watersnake
there is symbols for watering, picking, sowing, waiting for growth and
the Bearwatcher guard the new growth in fact In Sumer and some other
places we see instead the Archer guarding the Lady Virgo and we should
understand "the Little One" below.
Maybe the symbol "Turtle and Snake came
from India to China" and the Turtle is of course Cancer. In the climate
of monsoon they developed the heavenly dragon symbolising the
heavenly waters. In China they still make space between skyscrapers so
the Dragon can fly between the house and leave moisture outside the
In East Asia they have still the sense
of poetry since they have the pictorial script and speak in pictures and
flowers so to speak. They develop the other half of the brain.
Westerners somehow manage to live without fantasy and imagination. The
Dragon on top of the night sky is a good symbol for the heavenly Dragon =
Even Americas have the Snake. In south
the feathered Quetzalcoatl that naturally can fly like the snake in the
sky and it is big try co let the eye catch it on the night sky. In north
they have the Serpent Mound in Ohio biggest man made serpent in
the world. The embankment is 405 m/ 1330 ft long, 1,3 m/ 4 ft high and
about 6 m/ 18 ft across. It has an egg in the mouth.
There are rock carvings in many places
in America and in some cases the egg is in the other end. It shows the
fertility space-time and to ask if it is influence from India becomes
natural. In Indus symbolism it sometimes means the upper square or the
In SRV we find squares alone or in
merged figures, but no the clear "heavenly square" as far I can see.
Otherwise to associate to fence is easy and it could be just a logic
symbol with some algebraic meaning. The parted square means the entire
year in halves and the cross stroke marks "the other half"
The grid could be a net, a field
or partitioning something like harvest or fields. Especially in
inundation cultures it was custom to part the fields in the beginning of
season. Even in Scandinavia we have example of small Celtic fields and
in other cases indication of calculation with fields for a certain